Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Patrick Tate: Yes. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Caller: Oh hi. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Tim Yeah. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Administrative Links. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. What do you think that. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. He said matter of fact I do. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. And it's not really strong. Caller: Hi. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. Caller: I have yeah. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. John. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Caller: Absolutely. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. Mountain Lions in NH. Something along those lines. Give today. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Peter Biello: Yeah. There are corollaries in other states. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. And the cougar embodies that. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Peter Biello: Well yeah. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. So do they. Right. Mike you're on the air. Right. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. We're not in the woods. You don't know what's going on. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. She is renowned for tracking. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Sam. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Sam Evans Brown. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. You need a permit to have that. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. If so that's for us as an agency. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Here it is. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Love hearing these stories. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Does not test random Scouts. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Pelosi story here we go. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development.
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