0000001260 00000 n SAPN has told me I cant have more than a 5 kw inverter , but thats just not enough. (2nd one APPROVAL/SITE SPECIFIC CONDITION(s): Total Solar Export must be limited to 5kW). &K?BK:T$A1Cn 2. But whether or not extra solar capacity will pay for itself is another matter. A small solar system can be financially viable. Enter your postcode now. 0000008043 00000 n But, if you are really keen, I suppose you could use a site such as PV Institutes Live PV Map to see how other solar systems in your general area are performing: Note that patchy cloud can produce a lot of variation in output. The data has 5KW flat lining confirming more is being generated. 0000038562 00000 n The new home didnt have solar. All I can really suggest is to try to shift power use to the middle of the day and hope mainly solar energy is consumed. I am a total newbie to this but I am unclear why export limiting is good? Under another option to . 0000004736 00000 n Please stay on topic. 0000001916 00000 n ), converting to a maximum of 5kW of AC power, whilst the GW10K-MS provides for up to 13.5kW of panels generating capacity, across three MPPTs (strings? Definition A low voltage embedded generation connection in CitiPower and Powercor is defined as "an LV EG system with a total system capacity greater than 30kVA for a three-phase IES or non-IES (excluding ESS) network connection that is: 0000001575 00000 n See image at http://www.johnrogers.com.au/battery_charging_noon.jpg, CORRECTION: My 13.25 kW system will not go above the 10 kW inverter limit unless my house battery is charging and then it can go to 13.25 kW. As your sister can presumably export as much power as her solar inverter can produce it wouldnt need this device. Thats a huge jump and even a smidge higher than the Powercor network wide average of 89%. Weve seen a rapid growth in rooftop solar systems.With each installation, were facilitating rapid growth in the amount of solar capacity on our network. Im surprised this hasnt hit the mainstream media yet. Limited export means more power for home If your system has a limit on how much it can export then it means more power will get used in your home instead. The Solar installer is telling me that they just started getting 0kW approvals back for about 9 out of 10 requests and so they dont believe they will be able to do many installs at all going forward. By the time he was eight, he was already focused on using the power of the sun to stop fossil fuel emissions destabilizing the climate. Reminder: In Australia, you are allowed to install 33% more panel capacity than the inverter capacity for example, a 10 kW inverter can have up to 13.33 kW of panels attached. While export limiting is possible its not always approved. AC Output Data I am afraid Western Power is very strict. I had applications rejected, and when I asked there was NO course for negotiation or discussion its the RULES is s synopsis of the responses. It is possible to max out the 10 kW inverter capacity with my Tesla, house load and Heat Pump hot water. Origin offers 8 cents per kWh until a daily export limit of 14 kWh is reached. NSWs Endeavour Energy area: Western Sydney. The inverter reduces the amount of electrical energy supplied by the solar panels. Even then, the losses from the limit are minor. Many NSW rural situations are limited to 3Kw export, due to the length of the transmission lines. The metered version comes with extra current clamps to hook up to the grid side so you can do consumption monitoring and export limiting. But you will probably find that there is another setting that it will shutdown when 10 minute average voltage is a measly 255v. Its only possible to go larger with a zero export limit: https://www.powerwater.com.au/customers/power/solar-power-systems/pv-class-requirements. I did get on the FiT in the early days for the 66cpkWh, but installed a separate system (which I have since incorporated into my stand-alone system. Put down your weapons.3. Depending on their location, some may be constrained to a lesser export level or even no exports at all. It owns and operates the states largest electricity distribution network, and is responsible for more than half a million poles and over 88,000 kilometres of powerlines. And for this reasons, I have increasingly seen that it is more challenging to run micros without the envoy which would no doubt be extra code required in later versions of the envoy to enforce implementation of various AS4777 and export limiting requirements that cant be done in the micros alone. No matter how badly you may want to export limit your solar system, it can only be done in locations where its permitted. Thanks Ron. Off the main grid, rural properties can have 3 kilowatts of inverter capacity. <]/Prev 115522/XRefStm 1575>> Powercor claims 30% increase in rooftop solar export approvals Victorian network service provider Powercor claims a major works program designed to alleviate grid congestion in areas of high rooftop solar PV penetration has boosted the approval rate for new solar connections to export excess energy to the grid by an impressive 30%. Despite the low feed-in tariff you will receive it can still be worthwhile, especially if you can shift some electricity consumption to the middle of the day. If a home cant export any power at all then there is no financial reason to install a large solar system. 0000038830 00000 n 0000029403 00000 n If we consider a home in Sydney where no electricity is used during the day, and all the solar panels face directly north, then the percentage of output that will be lost due to a 5 kilowatt export limit would be: So even in a worst-case situation for Sydney, an 8 kilowatt solar system that is exported limited to 5 kilowatts will only lose 4% of generation. The uptake of solar has surprised the powers that be so they are basically wasting free energy and penalizing the producers in the process. Perhaps it is worth mentioning that the stricter export limitation becomes, it will make a stronger argument for batteries. Swearing revenge, he began his lifelong quest to reduce the harm the environment could cause. When it says that you can export 5kw, does that mean you can export up to 5kw PER HOUR? But your situation is complicated by already having a 3 kilowatt system. What made the situation all the more frustrating is periods of high congestion which can threaten the stability of a local network can be quite brief. sonnenBatterie Evo. While there are some energy management measures that could help around the edges, I cant think of any good solutions for the typical business. NSWs Essential Energy area: Regional NSW. We installed 4.5kw with a 5kw inverter in 2014. 0000039018 00000 n Because people have been refused any STCs for being just a few watts over, no installer will go over the limit for a normal installation. Thanks. 0000037497 00000 n This could be important, given that we have a state parliamentary election due in a couple of months. The good news is, even in a worst-case situation, the amount will be fairly minor. And, depending on the circumstances of each individual household, 10-15 kW of total panels generating capacity, with limiting export to the grid, to 5kW, could provide better for the months with less available solar radiation, to lessen the demand for grid electricity, peaking on a seasonal basis. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Download the first chapter of The Good Solar Guide, authored by SolarQuotes founder Finn Peacock, FREE! Now, there are quite a few profiles on offer that can be programmed into the microinverters. Some manufacturers may have this pre-selected. Single-phase properties can install inverter capacity up to 5 kilowatts while 3 phase properties can install up to 30 kilowatts. But if you suddenly switch off everything, there is more surplus solar power than youre allowed to export. Enter your postcode now. What Happens to the Surplus Power That Can't Be Exported to the Grid? We do not prevent customers from installing solar for their own self-consumption. Is this perhaps one of the well-kept secrets about the reality of residential solar production in Western Australia, one that neither the solar installers or inverter manufacturers, let alone Synergy or Western Power want to be publicly known? I do NOT have a device in my meter box that could tell the inverter anything about consumption and feed in energy. Okay, so that heading may be a bit of an exaggeration, but improvements the company has carried out appear to have made quite a difference. The solar installer or customer must have sought and received pre-approval from us for the requested capacity of the generator. A 5 kilowatt inverter will never supply more than 5 kilowatts of power no matter how many kilowatts of panels it has. Im afraid in a typical situation the inverter wont show its potential output. As far as I know, only solar installers can apply for export capacity in the Powercor area. Though endless quibbling over unnecessary details might keep the presses churning, a FACT remains that Ive been using ever-more-cost-effective batteries since 1980. It also allows you to focus on increasing your self consumption which in turn provides a better return on investment. So in effect I have two safety guards in place, 1. the 5kw limiter to the grit and 2. the extra Gateway . People have done it at fairly low cost with second hand panels and a DC pump.) I just dont understand it. For example, our Solar Enablement program is intended to allow more customers to connect a 5kVa solar PV system with export capacity. Wouldnt it be better for the inverter to display its total actual potential output under current conditions? I have just had a 6.6kw system installed with a Fronius 5kw inverter and am export limited to 3kw. Can anyone shed any light for me? But just note, not everyone Envoy has required bits to do export limiting. I think of it like the rate at which water is flowing out of a hose. So if an inverter that is export limited to 5 kilowatts is providing 8 kilowatts of power, none of it will go to waste provided the home is consuming at least 3 kilowatts at the time. I have a 14kW solar array running Enphase IQ7+ microinverters (43 of them) hooked up to the grid in a 3-phase configuration in the Endeavour Energy area in NSW, and they currently have the profile AU default AS4777.2:2015 30kVa, Vv, Vw set. Many Australian homes are not allowed to export more than 5 kW to the grid. 0000038484 00000 n Still, few people will want more than the 13.33 kilowatts of panel capacity single phase homes can generally install: The Bad: Homes with single-phase power on the main grid can have up to 5 kilowatts of inverter capacity but can usually get around this limit by installing an export limited solar inverter of up to 10 kilowatts. Are Tesla Powerwall smart enough to let majority of power export to grid and only start charging battery as inverter approaches its export limit? 0000006578 00000 n Of course the manufacturers dont want this to be public knowledge and pretend that once you paid for a system you are set for life (yours, not that of the system). 207 220 AS4777.2:2015 has some rather low default recommendations, which can be tweaked up as no doubt my profile has allowed. Please keep the SolarQuotes blog constructive and useful with these 5 rules: 1. Its moderately cheaper and the solar feed-in tariff youll receive will lower your electricity bills and increase the amount of clean energy available for others to use. He's been reporting on Australian and international solar energy news ever since. Am planning to install solar 6.6 kWh system and upon checking with powercor they are giving export limit as 0 kWh. Does anyone know how the limiter works in this scenario with 2 inverters? 100 litres alone means little, but if there are 100 litres per hour, this means 100 litre hours of output. In looking to the future, regardless of whether we like it, in spite of, and, despite, the great efforts of the WA state government, and its parent, the Australian feral LNP/ALP government, battery powered road vehicles will come to Australia, and, displace ICE vehicles. We just applied for pre-approval from Powercor and were given a 0kW export approval which is going to make almost anything we choose uneconomical. Export limiting does limit the inverter output, but only as needed to keep the export power below the limit. I am looking at adding a second system (6.2kW) with GoodWe inverter. Information on whether export limiting is allowed can be found here, but I am going to present the information differently for both ease of use and to make my boss think Ive done something useful. NSWs Ausgrid Network Area: This covers East Sydney, Newcastle, and out to Merriwa. But if you dont use much electricity it may need to be very small, as I explain here: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/zero-kw-export-solar/. 260 You could have mentioned that SWER stands for Single Wire Earth Return and why that matters. An Update: I just had system installed 4 days ago in the Energex DNSP and suggest the above is perhaps not quite correct. Actually I made a chart showing the percentage of electricity lines in each state that were SWER but I left it out for the sake of brevity. Finally! However they have been advised that this wont be allowed anymore. But given average voltages are probably well above what they should be in lots of places, and once you factor in your local voltage rise, and pretty low values under AS4777 etc, there is not much room to play with until the distributors get the act together and deliver us power that better matches the 230v standard they are required to deliver us. No active system controls whether you use inverter of imported power. Ready for some quotes? both said But there is also the DNSP rules which need to be followed. I have noticed that one string seems to be performing well under the performance of the slightly smaller string. I havent made any applications yet, but Ill certainly be asking this question when I get quotes!. The solar installer or customer must have sought and received pre-approval from us for the requested capacity of the generator. So what goes throgh the meter, in either direction, is the difference between what you generate and what you use. With permission export limiting can be used to install larger systems. 0000037380 00000 n First read the section How Export Limiting Works at the top of this thread. hbbf`b``3 I j 0000028229 00000 n Powercor is the Distributed Network Service Provider for central and western Victoria, as well as Melbournes western suburbs. Have a good christmas. The loss figures above are for Sydney and are affected by the climate. Also, given that export limited inverters (supposedly) work the same, regardless of the grid to which they are connected, why is it so, that states have different rules whereby some allow export limited inverters, and, some do not? This extra meter adds to the cost of a solar system. But you may as well just get a standard inverter and send your excess electricity into the grid. This is sufficient to charge a battery, although larger solar systems generally improve the return from batteries. Note that connections off the main grid are usually far more restricted. Victorias AusNet network area: The eastern third of Victoria, not including Melbourne or French Island. This applies to both single-phase and three-phase properties. As discussion of the topic of export limiting, is continuing, what,if any, is/are the direct effect differences to electricity grid load (as in the load on the wires, not the load as the term used for meaning demand), between a 5kW inverter, and a 10kW inverter with 5kW export limiting? Youll also start receiving the SolarQuotes weekly newsletter, keeping you up to date on all the latest developments on Australias solar scene. So basically the whole local industry is going to be cactus until this is resolved. But, if you are living in an area where it is required to install a large solar system a situation around half of Australians are in then export limiting can allow a larger system with normally very minor losses of clean solar generation. I think the installers like the Volt-watt modes, because if you dont know where to look they hid the problem at your expense anyway. (Or at least it will be expensive to set up well. As batteries currently operate they charge from power in the morning that could otherwise be sold rather than from power that may not be able to be sold in the middle of the day. For any amount above the daily export, you will receive our standard retailer feed-in tariff of 5 . What is the go generally with adding an additional solar system to your home? 0000004622 00000 n Generally however, I can advise that Powercor intends to upgrade the network over the next 5 years, starting in January, however, the specifics of where upgrades are happening and the order has not been decided. 1. Weve got a system that can be left alone in my opinion, so adding say 6.6kw and a 10kw battery makes good sense but what a task. This is because even if there is only a refrigerator running during the day it will reduce the losses from export limiting and if an effort is made to shift electricity consumption to the middle of the day then losses can be mostly or entirely eliminated. Then the information that was left was cut to make the piece more introductory, but perhaps all these reductions made the article like my favorite World War II movie Abridged Too Far. Victorias United Energy Network Area: A large chunk of Melbourne on the east side Port Phillip Bay and the Bayside Peninsula. Sometimes Powercor can reduce that to a lower figure, or even set a zero-export limit. We respect your privacy and you can opt out from the newsletter at any time. In my case, I have N & W facing panels, My inverters clip to 5Kw for a few hours, but I can still export a reasonable amount. How do I get around this with SAPN , am I allowed to export limit on a swer line in Sth Aust. I installed 6.6kw solar panels and have Goodwe 5kw inverter and applied for export limit of 5kw. Do you know the situation here? 0000008571 00000 n endstream endobj 307 0 obj <>/Metadata 15 0 R/Pages 14 0 R/StructTreeRoot 17 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 308 0 obj <. I still dont know if they have programmed the inverter to reduce the overall output by a percentage or not. Am I wrong? Please confirm the maximum export limit in the relevant section of this application.. Upgrading the local electricity network so more businesses and households can export excess solar to share. Whats the logical and practical way forward? Allows installation but has a zero export limit. Plus a Tesla Powerwall 2. Now, that would help protect electricity grids, especially, the fragile, decrepit SWIS grid, for the present. Ready for some quotes? I was told to set Power Limit to ON. In reality, the losses will be considerably less. So, I am pretty much left in the dark about whether all the energy my panels are theoretically producing is being utilised, or (which is my fearful assumption) up to 1.6kW are wasted whenever the panels produce more than 5kW AC. You could approach SAPN and ask for special permission to install more solar capacity on an SWER but I would not be optimistic about that. 2. When it comes to the limiting imposed by the electricity companies feed-in regulations, it means that, at any one time, not more than 5kW (100L) maybe be output to the grid (hose), it has nothing to do with the total over a certain period of time. Store it and use it later (this requires solar battery storage), or it disappears into thin air via a heat sink. The power is first used to meet household consumption, with any surplus exported to the grid for other people to use. In addition, all modern solar inverters must comply with AS4777.2015 at least. Does anyone have similar experience with powercor? 0000027818 00000 n As a side issue for you, if you (like lots of people) have high voltages issue causing shutdown / throttling, I am not a big fan of the Volt-watt modes, as often these modes will also lower the voltages at which the throttling kicks in. After all, Im a big picture kind of guy. Unfortunately, the meter companies and inverter manufacturers cant get their shit together, and the utility meters refuse to talk to the inverters. If you are using Enphase microinverters which is extremely likely the whole system can be export limited using the Enphase Envoy gateway. Because you dont see the rather obvious shutdowns (or see them less), you might not notice your solar might be throttled back on a regular basis. There are two options: 1. Finally, there are profiles for other countries that run 220-240V networks, and its remarkable how many of them use the older AS4777.3:2005 standard in their countries, because for many of these countries, this is the only profile the Envoy offers. While installing solar panels can still be worth it under these conditions, its a disincentive, increases payback time and is generally a pretty crappy state of affairs. hour of charging is enough to drive 35km.. 11kW panels with 10kW 3-phase inverter (Fronius Symo + Fronius 3-phase meter). (Image from Finns Tesla App). 0000017636 00000 n Recent work by Victorian DNSP Powercor on some problematic parts of its network is enabling more solar power from rooftop panels to be exported to the grid. Voltage (V) measured at inverter terminals Makes sense but begs my next question (sorry). P/Prated (%) Youll also start receiving the SolarQuotes weekly newsletter, keeping you up to date on all the latest developments on Australias solar scene. 0000029011 00000 n Yes I do have Enphase micro-inverters and an Envoy gateway, though not enough sunny roof to exceed 5kW, so my interest is rather academic but real. Why on earth would I do that if I can help it. Amongst other things, AS4777.2015 has some requirements to shutdown on phase imbalance in a 3 phase setup. Were seeing a real lift in the number of customers able to export excess solar back into the grid in these areas, which were among the most constrained in our network only a few months ago, said Powercor General Manager Electricity Networks, Mark Clarke. According to NT Power and Water they will normally allow up to a 5 kilowatt inverter with single phase power and up to a 7 kilowatt inverter with 3 phase power. Similarly, which would be more detrimental to a fragile electricity grid, through power exporting; a 5kW inverter with no export limiting, or, a 10kW inverter, with export limiting set to 1kW? Thats a furphy from go to whoa. A condition of this basic connection offer is that all inverter energy systems must have the volt-watt and volt-var response modes enabled with the following settings: 0000005359 00000 n If at any moment in time you are generating more solar electricity than you need, the excess is exported to the grid. 0% 207 Even if you have the Envoy-S, I believe at least on paper there was a Enphase Envoy-S On the main grid, single-phase properties can have 5 kilowatts of solar inverter capacity, and three-phase properties can have 15 kilowatts. 1. I want about 10Kw of panels so I can run pumps etc. To get your quotes, please enter your postcode: Flexible Solar Exports To Ramp Up In South Australia, Australian Solar Systems Interest Index: September 2021, Why Australian Solar Installers Love Austrian Fronius Inverters, Tesla Powerwall Price Takes A Tumble In Australia, "Snail Mail" Home Battery Offers: Be Wary, New Minimum VIC Solar Feed-In Tariffs Locked In, Glenrowan Solar Farm Construction Gets Cranking. I am not sure whether it has been explicitly explained, but, what exactly, is the limit of panels generating capacity, that is covered by the federal solar panels rebate? What I find is installers dont seem to like it when I tell them my plan. If you are in the solar industry - try to get to the truth, not the sale.5. and only supply me with power from the grid The good news is, if you had a total of 6.6 kilowatts of solar youd probably loose very little due to export limiting if you consume half the output of a 3 kilowatt system and can export 3 kilowatts. So really apart from the requirement that the initial startup can only happy on voltages below 253v, I have no throttling until at least 285v and probably even higher. 100% But there will often be times when the solar system will produce more power than can be exported, so some energy will be lost3. Hi i want to install solar with no power Western Australia Horizon Power area: Regional Western Australia. 306 47 0000038752 00000 n I also dont know if my meter has limiting but suspect not as it is a pretty dumb device. While losses increase as the solar power system size goes up, even with 10 kilowatts of panels which is twice the export limit, only 13% of generation is lost. Activities part of Powercors Solar Hotspots program carried out over three months included upgrading infrastructure, adjusting tap settings on street-level transformers, balancing voltage levels on powerlines and various tweakery at zone substations. Contracts and resources for connection agreement, Vegetation clearing requirements for new powerlines, Registered Electrical Contractor resources, Rapid Earth Fault Current Limiters (REFCL), Endorsement for wholesale demand response. You could contact Powercor and explain your situation, but I suspect theyll say you need to be an installer to check if an increase in export capability is available. 0000004823 00000 n As a general rule, 5kW tends to be the upper system size limit for single-phase connections, but some networks allow up to 10kW. Solar Analytics confirms in this scenario its only exporting up to the limit; 3kw. Hi I got a question about export limiter that I hope to get some answers from the community.
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