Thanks for the info lads. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom '
The codeusuallystarts with a Z and is followedby a series of numbers. I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. Download this stock image: Canada's Brodie Seger, left, signs a fans helmet after the men's World Cup downhill ski race was cancelled at Lake Louise, Alberta, Friday, Nov. 25, 2022. 11-30-2022 Local Time 06:08 AM The "4B" is a McCord Radiator stamp for the M17A1 (aka "Kelly") helmet. We offer a 100% return policy. Tom.Delahoyde That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. Vimy Ridge?, First to adopt Motor machine guns, feared by the Germans for our Shok troop tacktics..HEE HEE HEE, just picking on you. So just a shell with an unknown unit marking probably . There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. He did work there before the war but we are not sure if he held that position pre-war. Alexander & Sons $3,000. Most American helmets lack manufacture marks. The helmet was basically an inverted bowl stamped out of a single piece of manganese alloy, which was made up of 13 percent manganese and was .036" thick. Colin is the man for Brodies but I think he might struggle with this one too. Fully restored with river gravel finis
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They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. lol. The insignia is for the US 77th Division. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. Your link has been automatically embedded. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. After many experiments, Brodie came to the conclusion that a relatively simple form of helmet would offer reasonable protection, be serviceable and cheap to produce in large numbers. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. Manufacturing Co - Philadelphia - Pennsylvania. If it is a British helmet, you will find a rubber doughnut in the crown of the helment, and the bales are often installed with split rivets. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy.
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Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks Remembered Today: 1081780 Sapper Bedford Stanley LONG "D" Coy. Progressive Knitting Works - Brooklyn - New York. FOR SALE! Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France '
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I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom '
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I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. John Brodie designed the 'tin helmet' as worn in WW1, hence its name. WW1 BRITISH BRODIE Helmet SOMME relic - 60.00. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. stepback_antiques 12 years ago. liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. stands for General Steel Wares of Toronto, who made helmets from 1940 to 1942. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. . An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. However, the M1 sits further back on the head than the Brodie, thus providing greater protection to the neck. Canucks? The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet. I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France '
Palace of Westminster Home Guard cap badge. NOT JUST RESTORATION. So is there actually a difference? Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. E.G.Budd. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. Paste as plain text instead, While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. View detail. var daym=mydate.getDate()
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British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. The American shell is heavier. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? var dailyinfo= new Array(31)
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Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1
Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. //-->, By There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: 309.60 Buy It Now. Similarly other late entrants into the war such as Portugal relied on supplies of the Brodie to protect the heads of their troops. Available on our website now
Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies.
June 9, 2018 in It's hard for me to tell without the liner, but could the helmet be American Colin? brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. The helmet came without the liner and the onlymark in the helmet is 4B and I don't know why but under every scratch looks red maybe the helmet was red. Sorry for the long post and thanks for any info you can give me. It's definitely a British Mk I helmet. This helmet was called The Helmet, Steel, Mark I but is also sometimes referred to as the Brodie steel helmet or the Brodie Mark I helmet. leon21 This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada '
Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France '
I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. dailyinfo[25]=' 262952 Private Archibald Stanley BURGNEAY 8th Bn. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. H.M.S. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru '
In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/.
It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know. Menu. As a result, when the spectre of another war breaking out in Europe raised its head in the mid-1930s the US military were still arming infantrymen with the M1917. (hums softly, to the tune of Guantanamera:). OPB dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. Here's how to install a American M17 helmet liner video part 1 and 2. This used brass case is approximately 75 mm diameter and is marked with a 1916 manufacturing date. Early Mark I helmet initially had thisfeature only to be discontinue in mid 1916. These helmets were approved for service on 15 May 1916. O Gauge garden model railway
The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. Results 1 to 3 of 3 blue brodie helmet(or not) identification. This is an excellent true combat example of a genuine Canadian Mark 1 steel helmet that is dated 1941. Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France '
$150-300 Information & Special Terms Internet Premium : 20% Participation Requirements: Valid Credit Card required for bidding approval Payment Options: Visa, MasterCard, Discover, American Express, Check, Money Order, Wire Transfer, and Cash Visa MasterCard Discover American Express Payment Instructions . Mar 11, 2023 Confederate Id'd Saber by Haiman, 31st Virginia $2,100. The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm '
Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) The truth of the matter is the helmets are different.
Is it a BEF or US helmet? Are there any markings on the helmet shell - between a rivet and the brim usually? The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium '
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I'm sorry I don't have the answer to your question, but (and I apologise profoundly for what follows) - what's this about another Great War Forum? Article about: Hi everybody i found this helmet while i'm surfing on the net. the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service RESTORATION SERVICE ONLY. The M1 was eventually used in virtually every part of the globe, certainly everywhere that fell within the American sphere of influence during the Cold War, from the Balkans to much of South America and from West Germany to Singapore. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins. The real beardy types, anoraks and train spotters would only consider the type A and B as true Brodies. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. The Liner maker is R.H.Long 1917 and the other liner stamp mark could be an Army. Mark 2 Belgian Clone of the British Brodie helmet.
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Regards, Paul. So. Very Solid condition. M42 winter camo. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France '
The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. The Both the liners and the chinstrap on the British and its American cousin are almost identical.