Considering it as a seller, CGTrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. This place is indeed different and allot closer to what we actually need, I can't imagine the core principal on witch this place is founded would change as it will prove to be the one and only way to be future proof in this supper connected world. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. Imagine how much easier it would be for a games company to do a search by typing in (sword, 15 dollars and then 500 polygons.
See this GFXHub where you needed to pay a fee before you could download 3d models of Humster3d, Turbosquid and many other. Alhamdulillah, we finished making the car! If I am searching for a 3D model, I am not interested in 3D printing services, and vice versa. Regards, Sometime buyer in frustration just leave bad review on the model for issues that can be solved easily, but since he cant contact seller he thinks he cant do anything about it and he wasted his money. My opinions have evoluted over the months. Basically, they continue to sell their previous models or are selling non-liquid assets. You want to put it in your store but it obviously needs some work to make it marketable. It is all about customer reputation and perception. TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! Others download beautiful jpeg or tiff files to set as their desktop wallpapers at the office. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Search Filter Free products only Discount Formats Free products only Reset filters Free Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. A shitstorm war is going on between the "Wisdom" brothers & their Top $ Corporate Investors against Marius' CGtrader, who is leading the inclusive people that don't dance to the song of dangling shiny coins in front of their eyes just for the time being and the now. Imagine how much resorces and efforts are used by those clowns for this greedy Best price quality nonsense. TS is simply in decline getting worse and worse. So just to be constructive (and this will be my last post here, because I don't want to hijack the thread anymore, here are some ideas : You are right IterateCGI it would be terrible for the photo realistic 3D models however if you think about it not that many 3D artists create things in that style and in some cases are capable of doing that especially some of the newbies. That takes longer time. because CGTrader team quickly investigate and decided to remove the bad Feeback. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. So my own experience on sales is of little value. 3. Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. I'm really happy to see CGTrader growing. Then they would only find the relevant models and get to purchasing them right away. They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. Downside at CGTrader is as i've just been informed from Support is NO you can't sell the licence here and transfer it into another users name. NoneCG will be up for it. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially:
At some point in the past both Turbosquid and The3DStudio had to get through a huge cleansing of their site and removed thousands of objects that were hampering their credibility. CGTrader remains a young and very responsive team and listening to members - it's a great quality. Turbosquid is the exact opposite. So true! So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. I mean the good/bad rating left by buyers. The age of 3D models is over and people have moved on to 3D printing. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. Toys (212) Buy or download free 3D models for your CG projects, film and video production, animation, visualizations, games, VR/AR, and others. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. 3dsky.org2. I'm just dreading that sober moment when TS offers to buy CGT to kill off the competition. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. What insane kind of practice is that, who owns the work then? NoneCg I've read almost all your information regarding the public issues. . With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. In short I propose an integration of global search ore collections made by designers. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. Dear adentonclark,
! Chat with Support 24/7 I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). Ts has always been an overly expensive service and its not that good at all compare to its cost. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/industrial/other/shipping-container--4. And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". We are looking for contributors. What that means is that customers have the illusion of it being the best site out there even if the quality of the products is way below CGTrader. I have met a bunch of really good artists here that I have had the pleasure of working with. Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. Offering customers best prices on TurboSquid is mandatory for all artists publishing on TurboSquid. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. The items from CG and TS do not appear very far from each other in Google. Typically, large corporate buyers, they find a way to contact me even and on TS and make an offer on a specific project. How about the Royalty Rate??? Change Method. [http://www.google.com google5 ] Besides how about your right to fair trade? Think about your future: And to be fair, you will never get exact 40% from squid either, because they have payout fees too and also they withold certain amount from US purchases. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. taken offline. i guess both have different orientationone is cg and one is 3d printing oriented. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/d7b76144-43db-4cbe-b27b-8ea42b3a7cb0/TurboSquid_Low_Sales.png
I guess it is because of the youth of the site, which has not yet reached its maturity. Ah crap, not sure how that referal spam sneaked into turbosquid link, here is the clean one: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856, I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there. Let's give some time to time. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. Basically giving your money to a tyrant of a service, not even free to set price on your own products accordingly. They just took multiple of my most expensive items and run for it. Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. That's what I'm saying all the time and what I didn't like because I was not selling models for 3d printing and reason why I left. "TurboSquid Support, Jun 20, 08:14 SST: That is why I like to use Apple as the example of preference. Most small or midsized companies I worked with, did their best to cap their scene polygons at no more 500,000 all models included. From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. It certainly is an interesting read all together, thanks for documenting it so well and make the whole thing public, although I hope you don't stay embarked on a power struggle whit Ts management. Our "power struggles" with Turbosquid stopped the moment Matt Wisdom banned our account and we stoped doing business, however that doesn't alter our will to expose this kind of business practices. If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. [google14]url:http://www.google.com. For this, it is certainly the most pleasant place to sell models I know right now. Checkmate is the only good thing Turbosquid has left to offer. So here on CGt I could have just asked the buyer if he would be interested in that sort of deal. - Moderating some pointless threads opened by people using CGtrader as an advertising platform for their own website without even selling a single object here Some while ago someone (if he is real, can't even verify that) bought my snakebot model on Ts and he posted a nice comment. I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt. If that is the case then better not to become exclusive! you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. They may not end up following your ideas, but they will certainly take them into account.
For some people with experience that did the math taking all factors in count (not talking about just NoneCG, of course) it was crystal clear since many years ago. https://www.fiverr.com/pixel512/create-a-3d-model-shipping-container But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. It is pretty awesome!!! In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. This is critical information (to me at least) in regard to evolution and overall development of the products and services you want to deliver. While sellers will be disadvantaged in many interests. personally CGTrader is the second site where I realize more sales, I think we should avoid generalizing his own experience. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page.
Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. The fact that you can upload models immediately rather than waiting 3 months for them to get reviewed by some random people that won't have the time + the website design and the community inside CGTrader. The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. Yes. I know I personally would be Heh.. that's another topic but my top selling model is nude. I used to hate how it would crash constantly or find that half way through the process even after saving a draft,suddenly the poly count numbers or other text, numbers etc suddenly got erased. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing. There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. Tom cat cartoon character rigged for Maya 12. The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. CG trader is the first helpfull professional website I've seen in 20 years. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? - Do you think that a company like Turbosquid, managed by/for corporate funding with clear monopolistic intentions is more likely to improve your situation as a content creator in the future? For myself, long live CGTrader and may they keep their principles as they grow. You said you have considered closing your store here, I get that but why not just keep it up? I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. I think this computer graphics industry just needs a well known and established hub specific to our profession, and one that is being run with good core principals like we see it here on CGt. The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . Apart from this it would be nice to have a system that promotes collaborative action to make the products themselves better. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. Change Method. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. A customer coming in from outside can view stores, search inside a store or still search the global data base. CGtrader.com3. i think modeli unique and has need to be bought depend on the buyers not the seller The sellers for which, CGtrader liked can help for this resource. I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. in the name of freedom expression of the buyer (???). If you have any questions about these items before you purchase, please contact us at https://support.turbosquid.com/ Be very wary when the artist is from India or other similar countries. Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. @limonadinis Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Important detail : CGTrader allows communication between customers and sellers ! Cgtrader user interface is much more user friendly. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. The advance search option should obviously only be available for paid models so to avoid people only free loading and just finding all the free models. So if you think about that when we try selling just 3D models we are actually loosing a great deal of the market. Gumroad. No, I don't think it's just about SEO. with the recent requirements to upload a 3D product on TS, CGT became my number one no doubt, i'm not gonna wast half my life rendering turntables that wouldn't make much of a difference when every seller is doing the same thing. I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. Also you need to think about the advantage of not having to worry about shipping costs etc with digital art. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. I do not know if community-policing has helped other sites keep their products better organized. They're doing competitions, and that attracts artists, at least. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. I removed all products from TS. @dafunk @S/C. Better for who? Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? What, iterateCGI goos down? If I compare him with the founder of Ts, then it becomes clear to me we have a completely different relationship. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? The art is to do it structurally organized and easily navigable and then it is a matter of giving the people the right tools and they will do the rest issue I think. If CGT would manage to draw more buyers from TS then even more sellers would migrate here. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. What I read on different forums seems obvious, exclusivity no longer pays. Gritsuk : Hello Friends, glad to present you my model Female Hand Realistic. Turbosquid has too many models How about Negotiated price? Looks to me like they are providing a very content creator friendly environment. CGtrader delivers the best basic structure to bring fort this new and healthy next gen market place. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. But i think CGT nows that pretty well, that's why they decided to bring changes in royalty policy and hopefully they will steer additional cash flow towards making this stock market more attractive to the buyers. I can easily imagine that serious clients who value their time very high, might choose TS over CGT without second thought. So it is, but it's a matter of time and CGTrader will be able to master these positions. Why is CGTrader better? That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. [http://www.google.com|google11] Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" Similar thing happened to me,that's why i'm at CGtrader full time now. I tested the CGTrader rigged character morphs for Daz3D studio from your commission and it works like a charm! google3 I read here on the forum can't remember if it was Iterate CGI or someone else said that CGTrader will soon sell on Amazon and I can't wait for it to happen!! Just my opinion, but look at homepage. (Edge Right now, low quality models flooding this site are attracting the low budget people - that's certainly why high quality objects with pricings in accordance don't sell that much. I imagine a totally different mentality is going on in the Ts room, where top talents probably just like to leave the building because a few individuals like to keep things in check (you know like in the old top down pyramidal structured way). https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856?referral=pit_zavra Think about the best online stores today when people search for lamps on Amazon they will only find lamps in their search and that is why they keep buying on Amazon because it is a highly efficient and professional site where the buyers don't get lost or frustrated looking for what they want and can spend their time searching for the best quality product based on their budget. and resurrect it without that 3dprinting nonsense. This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". Also the management is awkward on TS. This is the Tesla Model 3. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. Of those limited people just a hand full would actually buy models or put money towards models so if TS already has won those people we need to find our own nitch or we go out of business. But this is perhaps the only plus turbosquid. when the same type of issue occurs on CGTrader, the Staff policy is to do nothing.